Tuesday, January 15, 2008

Another Embarassment to Cleveland

There was a time when I saw Dennis Kucinich's quixotic run for the Presidency as something charming.

No reasonable person thought he had a snowball's chance in hell of winning, but he was getting an opportunity to bring other ideas to the floor and try and get some momentum out of it.


That time has passed and his continued presence on the trail, in the courtroom and debates is nothing but an act of masturbation.


I don't think he should be legally banned from being on the ballots in the upcoming states. If he passed whatever local rules govern the primaries and caucuses, then let him in.


But getting the courts to intervene in the debate participant lists, and framing the argument in some kind of civil liberties sense is just downright dishonest.


On top of that, it continues to make his home district (which I do not live in) look like idiots. He better be careful or he might even lose his House seat this term.

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

After this is all over, Congressmen Kucinich and Paul need to take a nice long vacation together.

Perhaps something just outside of Pyongyang...

Dan said...

Or off the coast of Key West?

Unknown said...

Yeah, I'm not sure where the NWO conference is going to be held this year.

You speak of poor Dennis as if he is a blight on the fair city of Cleveland. As if one of Cleveland's biggest problems is a suburban politician complaining that MSNBC revoked his invitation.

Not the fact that it is still one of, if not the poorest, city in the country. Not that the city is ripe with racial tension, nor the fact the city is filled with industrial waste. That jobs and respectable companies are fleeing faster than whites during the 1970's.

Surely this is more of a blight on the city than the river of sewage running through ones neighborhood, as reported here.

In many ways I do view Dennis as the conscious of the party, in many ways similar to Wellstone. Not to mention he is a legitimate candidate for the office, his campaign is being funded with federal matching funds and he is polling >= 5% in many polls.

Will he win, unlikely, but I feel he can/should work to make significant contributions to the party's overall platform.

And look at the Huckabeeee example too, it is too early to really exclude anyone.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0610/feature4/gallery1.html
http://usj.sagepub.com/cgi/content/refs/27/3/385
http://www.aproundtable.org/news.cfm?news_ID=1451&issuecode=gen

Anonymous said...

The funny thing is this guy presided over the destruction of Cleveland in the late '70s, when he was mayor.

The only school of political thought that Kucinich is in the mainstream of is probably Trotskyist.

His support for permanent revolution will probably lead to state-owned douche bag factories being opened all over the state of Ohio.

Dan said...

Look, it would take an idiot to disagree with the contention that Cleveland has bigger problems than Dennis Kucinich.

No argument there.

I also don't claim that he should be forced to get out of the race or keep his mouth shut.

While we may differ slightly in our depth of knowledge of these candidates, but I lived up there in the Wellstone era, too, and...if you'll indulge my obvious comeback...

"Congressman, YOU'RE NO PAUL WELLSTONE!" ;-)

It's kind of like if my neighbors decide that they really like to spend their time watching the paint dry.

They're free to do it, but I'm not going to feel guilty about thinking they are idiots for doing so.

Unknown said...

Point(s) taken, I just feel that guy is getting vilified, unnecessarily.

For instance, he really has moved the debate in democratic primaries (especially from 2004). They pretty much moved to his positions on health care, and the war. (Which according to polls are much more in line with the demands of the American people than anything the other party is talking about.)

Likely because they had to debate with him on the same stage, rather than just ignore him.

Dan said...

To be clear, you believe that the opinion moves in this country, when it comes to the war and healtchare were moved, if not exclusively, in a very meaningful way by the Presidential campaigns?

There were people who were not concerned about healthcare or the war before, but who became so after they learned about them from Dennis?

Unknown said...

No, I think for the most part public opinion is formed by a lot of things such as the media, or personal experiences, or whatever.

I do think that Dennis, by speaking of these issues at the presidential campaign level in 2004 and 2008, made it necessary that the front runners also talk about it.

You really need to have a good sounding health care plan when debating a guy who is advocating a one payer system.

You really have to have a good reason for keeping the troops there when debating a guy who says he will bring them home on day 1.

Much in the same way the Repubs are now being forced to talk about the economy due to Huck's 'populist' economic message.

Dan said...

Okay, there you go. I am closer to you now.

Unknown said...

"Okay, there you go", as in "There you go again"???